Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking

Iowa Independent's latest power rankings, complete with a "who will win" poll over the flip. - Todd

Iowa Independent has released its final Democratic Power Ranking and Obama tops the list, with Clinton and Edwards tied for second.  While a lot can change within the next few days, this is how Iowa Indepedent believes the results would be if the caucuses were tonight:

Link:  http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary .do?diaryId=1732

First Place

Barack Obama -- The Obama campaign's ability to build a crowd is its greatest asset.  The Illinois senator consistently seems to draw larger crowds than his opponents in the same places, which speaks both to the strength of his campaign's organization and the enthusiasm his candidacy seems to generate.  And his wave of small-town newspaper endorsements should enhance his second-choice support in rural parts of the state where he has been perceived as weak.  If the caucuses were held tonight, Obama would pull off a narrow victory.

Second Place

(tie) Hillary Clinton -- The Clinton campaign's ambitious "Every County Counts" tour the week before Christmas was not without errors, but its last impact seems to be that it firmed up some of the campaign's softer support and drew new caucus-goers in to hear what Clinton had to say.  That, in combination with the Des Moines Register's endorsement and the extraordinary efforts of independent groups like Emily's List and AFSCME, would put Clinton in second place if the caucuses were held tonight.

(tie) John Edwards -- Edwards's greatest asset is the foundation he began building over a year ago.  He has lost some of the activists he recruited early on to other campaigns, but in recent weeks his constant campaigning has firmed up his base.  His supporters are likely to caucus, and many of them are experienced activists who know what it takes to get out the vote.  If the caucuses were held tonight, we think he would finish second.

Fourth Place
Joe Biden -- Recent news out of Pakistan plays right into Biden's central argument: that the United States needs a thoughtful, experienced hand to guide its foreign policy.  Biden may also benefit from widespread second-choice support from caucus-goers who do not wish to caucus for one of the top three candidates if they are forced to realign with other groups on caucus night.

Fifth Place

Bill Richardson -- Richardson's foreign policy experience may be his greatest asset, but his stump speech performances are inconsistent and sometimes unconvincing.  One gets the sense that some caucus-goers feel he is not ready for prime time.

Sixth Place

Chris Dodd -- Dodd has pockets of support across the state, but he may not reach the 15% threshold for viability in many precincts.  He continues to campaign energetically, and almost everyone likes him, but his candidacy has not caught on.

Seventh Place

Dennis Kucinich -- At this point, it remains to be seen whether Kucinich will even show up in Des Moines to give a concession speech on caucus night.  He has spent such little time here that most of his hold-out supporters from 2004 have found other candidates.

Eighth Place

Mike Gravel


Poll
Who Do You Think Will Win Iowa
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Bill Richardson
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Dennis Kucinich
Mike Gravel

Votes: 56
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (none / 0)

I just read a comment in some other diary that said Dodd had the second-highest negatives in Iowa of any Democratic candidate.  Now I'm told "almost everyone likes him."  Who to believe?!?

For my part, Dodd always seems to be yelling.  Even in the debate where he was decrying partisanship and shrillness and saying we all need to get along, he was yelling when he said it.  Obviously everyone hears things differently, but he grates on my ear.  And he certainly has done a lot of attacking.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 03:50:22 PM EST

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I agree.  Dodd always sounds like he's yelling to me too.  And I nearly fell out of my seat laughing when he tried to accuse Edwards of being too "angry".  O_o


by Namtrix on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 03:57:11 PM EST
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Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (none / 0)

I love the eyebrows though!:)


by mcdave on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 04:26:05 PM EST
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Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (none / 0)

Chase Martyn has a right to his own opinion.

But as I know it someone has to come first , second or third , I have never had of a second place tie in the iowa caucuses before.

Anyone can still win the caucuses but my instincts tell me it would be Edwards .

By the way Chase has since gone with Obama , I am not saying that clouds his thinking but you might want to consider that.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 03:55:52 PM EST

Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (2.00 / 1)

Lori, I haven't endorsed anyone and I don't plan to.

Obviously, there won't be a tie for second place on caucus night.  Clinton and Edwards are both in second place in our power rankings simply because our writers were unable to justify putting one above the other.  They both have an equally good shot at second place if the caucuses were held tonight.


-- Iowa Independent
by chase martyn on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 03:59:43 PM EST
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Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (none / 0)

As an Obama supporter I'd love for your rankings to be true. I think it's a crapshoot at this point. Did you have rankings in 2003?


by lapis2 on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 04:19:21 PM EST
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Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (none / 0)

You seem to have been leaning towards Obama and I think Taylor made mention of you moving to Obama's camp.

However I am not knocking you even if you are leaning towards Obama , everyone has a right to lean or choose a candidate . Taylor herself has her leanings which is quite obvious.

Plus your iowa independent site has gone progressively critical of Clinton since the whole Grinnel college thing .

Moving to the substance of your post which I don't agree with , I think Edwards would close strong as well as Clinton. I don't think Obama has anymore room to grow but to fall off especially among seniors and women.

However I have enjoyed your posts a lot even though your site did have some impact on my favored candidate , negatively that is lol.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 04:20:25 PM EST
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Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (2.00 / 1)

Lori -

That's a good point, Obama could bleed some older support and female support. He may have peeked too early amongst those groups.

Second place choices will decide this thing...very weird way to choose a president!!


by mcdave on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 04:27:03 PM EST
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Since the caucus is NOT tonight (none / 0)

How about a prediction for the ACTUAL night of the caucus, January 3? See3ms like quite the hedge you coming ouit with your FINAL prediction tonight and phrasing it the way you do. You get to have your cake, if Obama wins, and eat it too, if he does not you can say it was if the caucus was December 28. I do not know you but I find your prediction style pretty weak.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 05:39:49 PM EST
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Re: Since the caucus is NOT tonight (2.00 / 3)

If the caucus was tonight, turnout would be very low because all of the advertising has said January 3.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 05:46:57 PM EST
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Heh (none / 0)

But seriously, I HATE this type of prediction. I do not care who would win if the Caucus is tonight as a FINAL prediction. That is a freaking joke. If you can not make a final prediction for the Caucus today, then do not make a prediction at all. If Chase Martyn does nothing more in terms of prediction than this, I call him out as a fake. This prediction is a joke. As you say, the caucus is NOT tonight.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 05:50:35 PM EST
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Congratulations Big Tent Dem (2.00 / 2)

You DO NOT win two free Ipod nanos....


by aiko on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 05:55:30 PM EST
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Heh (none / 0)

I really do not care for bs from anyone. If this is their FINAL ranking then just STFU because the Caucus is in 6 effing days.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 05:57:34 PM EST
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Re: Heh (none / 0)

Big Tent why so angry, just because he dudn't pick your girl.

Ignore it if you think it is worthless.


by BDM on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:03:43 PM EST
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Again you bloody cult members (none / 0)

can only see through the prism of your worshipped Gawd. If Martyn had said Hillary or Edwards, I would have said the same thing. Do you really like a prediction that allows for this type of having your cake and eating it too? Of course you do precisely because it favors YOUR candiate. For the record, I remain a tepid Obama supporter for one reason only, he is a Media darling, something we need for the GE. But if Obama loses, I can not say I will weep much. Mostly because of idiots like you.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 09:57:25 PM EST
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Re: Since the caucus is NOT tonight (none / 0)

Ha ha- that was funny.


by reasonwarrior on Sat Dec 29, 2007 at 03:22:52 AM EST
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Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (2.00 / 2)

So much for the Obama has peaked narrative, at least I hope so.  Seriously, people like us follow the race like it was an internet stock and we are broakers.  Among my relitives in the midwest, for example, who are mostly too busy to follow the race except when I'm around, Obama is still gaining.


by howardpark on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 04:21:32 PM EST

How I'd rank it... (2.00 / 1)

I'm a complete coward...so here it goes:

1a. Obama -

The organization is top notch, and I firmly believe that unlike other years, young students will actually turn out. In addition, the enthusiasm amongst Obama supporters will make a different at Caucus time when it's time to reallign with second choices.

1b. Edwards -

Ditto on the organization. He's hitting the right points on his stump speech (see how Obama has coopted some of his message). He's surging at the right time, his ads are effective, and he's in a good position to pick up much of the last minute "electablity" vote that Hillary and Obama may lose.

3. Hillary -

The negativity and gaffes that her campaign have made will not effect her core support, but her lack of 2nd place support is going to do her in. She's just too polarizing to win in a format where 2nd place support is so important. What's interesting is that she may win the "entrance" polls that the media conducts, while losing the overall contest by 10-15 points to Obama or Edwards. She is also hurt by the out in the open nature of Caucusing. Hillary will get a big swaft of undecided female voters in other states where they can pull the lever in private (and can't resist voting against a viable women president). But I don't think that will come into play at the Caucuses, where you have to stand in front of your neighbors.

Happy New Year everyone - may the best...person...win!


by mcdave on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 04:23:32 PM EST

Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (none / 0)

Oh most definitely. One thing I've noticed that Obama/Hillary/Edwards folks have in common is their admiration for Joe Biden. Give the guy credit!


by mcdave on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 04:25:07 PM EST

What is the Iowa Independent? (none / 0)

Seroiously, I've seen their "rating" before and they are a joke.

Just look at their reasoning.  Is this a high school paper?  Some guy "publishing" on line from his moms basement?


by dpANDREWS on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 05:30:07 PM EST

Re: What is the Iowa Independent? (none / 0)

I think this 527 issue is going to rise up and bite him in the ass.  He might have been able to get away with it if it had been only unions, but now with the revelation a half a million was poured in by Bunny Mellon that is a story with some real potential harm.


by Piuma on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 05:40:20 PM EST
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Re: What is the Iowa Independent? (none / 0)

We'll see if one person funneling about $750,000 to support one candidate is something people will just shrug off.  And I kind of doubt it is the thing the media will just shrug off.  Perhaps you're right, but it won't be because that one person was a friend of Jackie O.


by Piuma on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 05:52:53 PM EST
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I finally figured it out (2.00 / 1)

The bloggers here at MyDD, and elsewhere, are so intent on an Edwards win that they will spin anything and everything to look like Obama is crashing.  You guys are even spinning the inside the heartland predictions, by people on the ground in Iowa--who are watching this, all up close and personal, and not thru some stupid computer screen...  

I have been reading this crap the last 2-3 days thinking: Is he crashing? Has he peaked? Is it all over like they say??? Two nights ago, I had a nightmare that he came in a distant, distant third--no one showed up to caucus for him. Then I woke up to realize that I had the flu. Gosh darn it all.

He continues to give great speeches. Everyday, several times a day, he gathers 900 folks in hoe-dunk Iowa (no offense to anyone from hoe-dunk). He has a great organization that will probably go down in political history as the all time best grassroots organizing effort to date.

He has killed her in New Hampshire-yowza.

He knows what he is talking about. He trust his instincts. He is consistent.  He was right on Pakistan two months ago and then again one month ago. (See smith at poltico)

His base, the wealthy liberal academic (or just highly educated) supporters and his students are all out of town and can't be polled.

And Iowa Independent calls it for Obama!

The bloggers at MyDD are pulling so hard for Edwards that they are spinning like a top.

Hang in there Obama supporters --its not as bad as they suggest. No, in fact, it is looking pretty god damn good.


by aiko on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 06:13:31 PM EST

If they REALLY call it for Obama (2.00 / 1)

then let hem CALL it. so far I see BS "ifd it was held tonoight crap." That is NOT a final ranking.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 06:21:35 PM EST
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Re: I finally figured it out (none / 0)

Weird.  I also had a horrible nightmare of Obama coming in third.  But then again, I once dreamed I was a Powerpuff Girl.

That aside, I'm confident Obama will come through with a suprisingly strong victory.


by Namtrix on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 06:23:17 PM EST
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Re: I finally figured it out (none / 0)

many of the obama 'regulars' have taken flight from these parts....it has been somewhat nightmarish. :0


by aiko on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 07:35:35 PM EST
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Re: I finally figured it out (none / 0)

uggh, here we go. if you really think we've been spinning for Edwards, you haven't been reading. I could point you to Jonathan's criticism of Edwards's claim that he alone is the electable one or my criticism of Edwards's claim that Hillary is fear mongering by raising national security issues. but whatever, I've been accused of supporting all candidates by all sorts of commenters. if I was 100% behind one candidate I'd disclose it. we've all been clear that we're not decided with any sort of certainty and I think it's manifested in some pretty diverse coverage. I will go out on one limb as far as who will not win Iowa and who will not win the nomination: Obama. I love the guy, I think he's super smart and super principled but I truly believe that his lack of experience will prove to be a prohibitive obstacle to his winning. It's not a judgment call, it's a prediction of how I feel voters will ultimately caucus and vote. Does this color my coverage? Sure, a little, as I've been expecting Obama to peak and now it appears he has in Iowa at least. I think the polls show that pretty clearly and will ultimately hurt him in NH. So my gut is currently telling me that Clinton will win the nomination, even if she loses Iowa, but I'm not prepared to count Edwards out. But no, I am not "pulling so hard for Edwards" at all.


by Todd Beeton on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 07:34:32 PM EST
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Re: I finally figured it out (none / 0)

To be honest Todd, aside from the long standing anti-Obama fair from Jerome, I wasn't really talking about the front page posters.  Its been in the comments and the diaries.  Its been ugly as most everyone has been predicting and documenting Obama's demise. (IMHO, many if not most, Obama commenters have already taken flight, and for good reason--avoiding nightmares.)

You are entitled to your opinion of course, but since we are 'on the dark side of the moon' in terms of polling, and on so many levels he is doing rather well, I wouldn't count him out just yet.

Watch out, his GOTV is going to kick ass.


by aiko on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 07:46:07 PM EST
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AIKO is exactly right (2.00 / 1)

Don't trust the predictions of people "covering" this story that have to fly home for the holidays. These "reporters" come in with their biases (and this is for all of the candidates), and every .5% change from one poll to the next automatically becomes (X is tanking, or the trendlines show Y rising!). It's all a crapshoot. To me the fact that this race went from being a Hillary coronation to essentially a crapshoot suggests to me that people are looking for reasons not to vote for her, and therefore I would give Obama/Edwards the advantage - with a slight preference towards Obama.


by highgrade on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 06:24:55 PM EST

"gut feelings and instinct" (none / 0)

Here's my gut feeling -The Dems want badly to win and will go with their best hope. They will go with a seasoned politician verse someone they would prefer. Just like the last go-around, the equavilency is:

Hillary will be Kerry 2004
Obama will be Dean 2004


by Cleveland John on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 06:54:35 PM EST

Re: "gut feelings and instinct" (none / 0)

Hillary will be Kerry?

Guess we can kiss the general election good-bye.


by Namtrix on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 06:56:55 PM EST
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Hey ... hey .... hey (none / 0)

Just for purposes of the Iowa Primary. Any one of our guys(gal) will beat the Republican candidate.


by Cleveland John on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 07:03:04 PM EST
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Re: "gut feelings and instinct" (none / 0)

I agree.


by Todd Beeton on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 07:35:34 PM EST
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So by this thinking.... (none / 0)

Edwards is still Edwards?


by Shawn on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 08:55:45 PM EST
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Re: So by this thinking.... (none / 0)

Yes Edwards is the equivalent of Edwards. The only reason I see voters moving to Hillary is because of her national lead.


by Cleveland John on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 10:09:25 PM EST
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Edwards has no chance ouside Iowa (none / 0)

The fact that Edwards has never left the country and shown no interest in anything but local issues and the spotlight doesn't seem to phase any of the gang on this pro-Edwards site. I thought many would start to be be more politically realistic.   Does anyone seriously think California or Florida or Washington -or New York will vote for someone as un-worldly as John Edwards at such a critical time?  
Never.
He may be a nice guy -but definitely AG material only and not Presidential.  We all seem to be in agreement on a big NO to Clinton.

So please lets get real and pick the one every poll admits will beat all Republicans:  Barack Obama.

By the way, I'm one of those older white women who wouldn't vote for Hillary under any circumstances.
She joined with Joe Lieberman and all the Republicans last summer to vote against Senator Feinstein, Barack Obama and the majority of Democrats who tried to place a moratorium on the use of cluster bombs  -in civilian areas only.

Do you know how long those toylike bomblets last and what they do to children and innocent people??

Hillary surely does -she's 'experienced'.

That kind of 'experience' can kill you.


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by hazmaq on Fri Dec 28, 2007 at 10:24:01 PM EST

Re: Iowa Independent: Democratic Power Ranking (none / 0)

I don't know who will win- I'm choosing 'hoping' over other alterntives so I choose Hillary but I would not be surprised if she doesn't.  With the race so close, obviously 2 camps are going to be dreadfully disappointed.


by reasonwarrior on Sat Dec 29, 2007 at 03:27:38 AM EST


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